9 Responses to “Let’s Be Honest”

- chuck
- November 13th, 2007
Jared,
I’ll grant you that if you were working on something like XEROX PARC, you’ve got some skins on the wall. I guess my frustration is when you read a resume or bio and feel like you’re dealing with “phantom” experience. You made some good points, though - I appreciate your perspective.

- Brendan Cullen
- November 14th, 2007
It’s all in the context. For you or me, “10 years experience working on the web” probably means 10 years of constantly learning and improving our skillset.
To just about everyone else, “10 years experience working on the web” probably means 10 years of “Slices from Guides, Save for Web.” Because for most people, that’s (sadly) all there is to “web design” and see no reason to take it any further.
Do the sites I built in 1997 with AOL Homestead for my band in high school or the ones in Adobe PageMill(!) in college count towards my experience? Sure, because I’ve never stopped trying to improve. Do I have 10 years experience? Honestly I’d say no. Because I know better.
But if the client/person doing the hiring doesn’t, then hell yes that’s 10 years experience. Especially if I’m going up against someone else claiming 10 years experience who’s never looked beyond the WYSIWYG.

- Dustin Askins
- November 15th, 2007
I agree that it’s not always the number of years that counts, it’s what you’ve learned in those years and how you apply it today. Often times someone crams in a lot of experience in two year’s time that someone else did in five year’s time.
Heh, for me it’s watching someone who is just as up on XHTML/CSS as I am because it’s all they’ve ever known in their two year’s worth of Web development. While I had to trudge through the tables years in the beginning of my six years of experience…
But if we had to lay blame on someone for these inflated or unimportant claims of experience, I’d point to potential employers who are asking for someone with five to ten year’s worth of experience. I feel that I have to tie in my first experience coding a frames-based Web site in order to match their requirements and submit an application. I feel a bit dishonest in doing so, but like you’ve pointed out…those years of experience that we may find irrelevant really amount to time spent learning what not to do. And as they say, knowing the mistakes of our past helps us avoid making them again the future.
But while looking for a job and seeing employers ask for ten years of experience…I couldn’t help but think about a lot of Web Developers I’ve worked with who have ten years of experience. A lot of them are rooted in old ways and wont step up to Web standards. So I would think, man…only if these employers knew what asking for ten year’s worth of experience might get them. :-p

- chuck
- November 15th, 2007
Dustin - I hadn’t thought about job requirements and that’s a good point. Well said.

- Travis Isaacs
- November 18th, 2007
Jared nailed it!
With experience on both ends (recruiting and applying), I have a new perspective on “experience.” What’s more desirable, a candidate with 7 years “experience” at one company, or a candidate with 7 years over 7 jobs?
Depends.
Some employers see the latter as a red flag because they might be a flight risk. Conversely, someone at the same job for 7 years might be viewed as “stale”.

- John Way
- November 18th, 2007
I recently read a story about how a teacher with 12 years of experience was rejected for a teacher with only 3 years of experience. The person in charge of hiring said that even though the teacher had 12 years of experience, the experience never led to any growth or maturity. So in essence, the teacher had 1 year of experience repeated 12 times!
I thought that was such an insightful comment. It’s so easy to stay stagnant at a job and not grow. Years pass by much quicker than people think.

- Riz
- November 20th, 2007
no sure if i like your new homepage…having an ‘intro’ page was a good idea. Now it just looks like another blog…otherwise your site rocks!

- chuck
- November 20th, 2007
Riz, thanks for the feedback. Actually I’m working on a new entry explaining the ins and outs of the new look.

I think most people _do_ equate a person’s years spent in a profession with their skill level. It seems pretty engrained into the tradition of resume-writing and self-promotion — for better or for worse. I know I’ll always tack as many years onto my resume as my conscience deems right. Maybe it doesn’t guarantee expertise, but it certainly won’t hurt my reputation. Besides, portfolios don’t always expose other skills necessary to be a good web worker (client relations, writing, etc.). Years of experience can imply soft skills as well as familiarity with a platform that has evolved quite a bit over its lifetime.
Resumes help get you in the door. After that, it’s just a supporting document. But yeah, I see what you’re saying. Still, if you were working on the web 20 years ago, hopefully you have some great resume material to augment those years (XEROX PARC, anyone?). And a lot of valuable skills and knowledge that someone with 5 years of experience doesn’t have.
I say that years matter.